Astro Boy Unloved in America

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Postby MegaAstroFan75 » 14 years ago

That 2003 Astro Boy probably would've been received better if they weren't trying to dumb it down for kids


I wouldn't say it was dumbed down for kids. It was Sony doing the dubbing, not 4Kids (4Kids is related to Fox which is a republican outlet channel and thus well under the FCC's tyranny). On the contrary they were trying to dumb it up for the neo-otaku audience by trying to make him more of a hero and less of a boy. But I notice that trend dies out more later in the series, particularly when Zoran comes in.

3.) A lot of his thunder was stolen by Mega Man, whom many thought "Astro Boy" was a ripe-off of


You're probably right there, but that's no reason to hate Mega Man. I love Mega Man and Astro and honestly I think they make an adorable crime fighting duo. Pair them together in some crossover adventures, very cute.

I noticed people referencing the outfit and I hadn't thought about that. I remember the weird only undies outfit actually serving as a bit of a turn-off for me when I saw the 2003 series advertised. That may indeed have something to do with it.

changes like:
always wearing clothes
the way he talks...not as sweet as the Astro we know
and the humour....so typical of americans


But a lot of the clips of him in clothes in the trailers are from early-ish in the film I think and as others have pointed out he does wear normal clothes when doin normal things. In the film they're giving him boxer-briefs instead of the briefs which I believe is simply for animation purposes.

The way he talks is due to action scenes being shown, but we have Freddie Highmore doing the voice and he can be very sweet, so don't lose faith. As for the humour, well, it is a little typical american humour. Though honestly I don't know why nobody in the 70's-80's series commented on the butt guns. We just have to accept it without questioning. lol

If I personally had to take issue with the film, most of it's good, but they seem to ditch recognizable main series villains in favour of custom ones. Only Ham Egg appears. Tenma's much nicer than the 2003 series (good for him) and Atlas seems to be, uh, forgotten.

You have all made some interesting points. In America it's all about instant visual gratification.

just a plain rotten environment


That might be going a little too far. Maybe it's just your neighbourhood, because for all its stupidity at least Naruto does TRY to get some basic love and friendship morals in there. And you can't blame the shows because it's not their fault watchers decide they should be like people in the show. There are no bad shows, bad movies and bad video games, just bad parenting. Parents who don't pay enough attention to their kids and the kids start using media as their parent and support.

I've been surprised how much like Doctor Who Astro Boy, and Mega Man actually, have been. i'm a major Doctor Who fan and I appreciate other media espousing pacifistic morals.

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Postby dannavy85 » 14 years ago

Parents who don't pay enough attention to their kids and the kids start using media as their parent and support.


How true.

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Postby munquibyte » 14 years ago

It's the speedo. 'Merkins are really hung up about kiddie porn, and wether or not Astro is potrayed sexually, he gets branded as such. (And the Japanese obsession with 'money shots' doesn't help, either. :shifty:

I also blame Speed Racer, which has overshadowed Astro in the 'States from the get-go, even tho' Astro's premise is much more interesting.

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Postby Dragonrider1227 » 14 years ago

"munquibyte" wrote:It's the speedo. 'Merkins are really hung up about kiddie porn, and wether or not Astro is potrayed sexually, he gets branded as such. (And the Japanese obsession with 'money shots' doesn't help, either. :shifty:

I also blame Speed Racer, which has overshadowed Astro in the 'States from the get-go, even tho' Astro's premise is much more interesting.


Neither of these points would surprise me. Americans ARE over touchy about nudity in general. You start involving a child in that (despite how it's actually used) and they go Bat****.
And Speed Racer SHOULD get a little blame. Whenever classic anime is mentioned, it's always Speed Racer not Astro Boy. When I was at Anime Boston this year, they had a sing along segment as we waited for Cosplay chess and one of them was a "classic anime theme" and you guessed it, it was Speed Racer :mad: That might change though since were Speed Racer's movie was an epic fail, Astro Boy's has potential of being an epic win!
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That 2003 Astro Boy probably would've been received better if they weren't trying to dumb it down for kids


I wouldn't say it was dumbed down for kids. It was Sony doing the dubbing, not 4Kids (4Kids is related to Fox which is a republican outlet channel and thus well under the FCC's tyranny). On the contrary they were trying to dumb it up for the neo-otaku audience by trying to make him more of a hero and less of a boy. But I notice that trend dies out more later in the series, particularly when Zoran comes in.

If they were trying to appeal to the "Neo-Otaku" audience, they wouldn't have had to dumb it down. This is the same audience watching Full Metal Alchemist, Death Note, Inuyasha, ect... which are full of death, violence, and characters with childlike personalities. (Well, not as much as Astro, but they're there.) They had no idea what they had or what audience was out there and just figured "OOH! This is too much for kids. We have to lighten it up. Oh, let's turn it into Naruto too while we're at it." What is sad is when you consider a about a month after they took off Astro Boy, Avatar: The Last Airbender premiered who had a very child-like personality and is a huge hit. So the massive character change was aboslutely unnecessary
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Postby jeffbert » 14 years ago

I have an old old bottle of Coppertone sunscreen. On it, the Coppertone girl's bright white bottom is prominently exposed. A bottle from a few years ago has her bathing suit in a less compromised position with no crack shown; Newer products however, show no white skin at all, & she only appears on the WATER BABIES products. There must be a reason, & that would agree with earlier posts in this thread by munquibyte. :lol:

I guess the idea of children being cute has given way to them being targets of sexual predators, & thus the idea that they should not be depicted naked or even partially naked.
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Postby ASTROBUDDY » 14 years ago

"MegaAstroFan75" wrote:
That 2003 Astro Boy probably would've been received better if they weren't trying to dumb it down for kids


I wouldn't say it was dumbed down for kids. It was Sony doing the dubbing, not 4Kids (4Kids is related to Fox which is a republican outlet channel and thus well under the FCC's tyranny). On the contrary they were trying to dumb it up for the neo-otaku audience by trying to make him more of a hero and less of a boy. But I notice that trend dies out more later in the series, particularly when Zoran comes in.

3.) A lot of his thunder was stolen by Mega Man, whom many thought "Astro Boy" was a ripe-off of


You're probably right there, but that's no reason to hate Mega Man. I love Mega Man and Astro and honestly I think they make an adorable crime fighting duo. Pair them together in some crossover adventures, very cute.


I noticed people referencing the outfit and I hadn't thought about that. I remember the weird only undies outfit actually serving as a bit of a turn-off for me when I saw the 2003 series advertised. That may indeed have something to do with it.

changes like:
always wearing clothes
the way he talks...not as sweet as the Astro we know
and the humour....so typical of americans


But a lot of the clips of him in clothes in the trailers are from early-ish in the film I think and as others have pointed out he does wear normal clothes when doin normal things. In the film they're giving him boxer-briefs instead of the briefs which I believe is simply for animation purposes.

The way he talks is due to action scenes being shown, but we have Freddie Highmore doing the voice and he can be very sweet, so don't lose faith. As for the humour, well, it is a little typical american humour. Though honestly I don't know why nobody in the 70's-80's series commented on the butt guns. We just have to accept it without questioning. lol

If I personally had to take issue with the film, most of it's good, but they seem to ditch recognizable main series villains in favour of custom ones. Only Ham Egg appears. Tenma's much nicer than the 2003 series (good for him) and Atlas seems to be, uh, forgotten.

You have all made some interesting points. In America it's all about instant visual gratification.

just a plain rotten environment


That might be going a little too far. Maybe it's just your neighbourhood, because for all its stupidity at least Naruto does TRY to get some basic love and friendship morals in there. And you can't blame the shows because it's not their fault watchers decide they should be like people in the show. There are no bad shows, bad movies and bad video games, just bad parenting. Parents who don't pay enough attention to their kids and the kids start using media as their parent and support.

I've been surprised how much like Doctor Who Astro Boy, and Mega Man actually, have been. i'm a major Doctor Who fan and I appreciate other media espousing pacifistic morals.


I don't hate Mega Man, I just meant that people not familiar with Astro Boy thought he was a rip-off of Mega Man, in the way people did not like the Buck Rogers serial as opposed to the Flash Gordon serials because they thought Buck was a rip-off of Flash, eventhough Buck came first!

Hey, I'm a big Doctor Who fan, too!
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Postby dannavy85 » 14 years ago

Time for a little fun....

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Reno's tinker cave


Astro: What's up?

Reno: Uh....how do I put this?.....Doc's called me with a concern.

Astro: Yeah? (Astro jumps on a lab table) It must be serious because you're turning red.

Reno: Well....it's kinda stupid, it concerns your shorts.

Astro: (face contorts) First it was my butt...now it's my shorts?

Reno: Doc's gotten a few....ok a lot....a lot of "complaints"

Astro: Wow...I'm relieved! I thought it was something more trivial like, I dunno, stopping diabolical nutjobs and out of control robots from destroying someone's flower garden!

Reno: It's those trips to America. Some people.....they....the shorts are an issue. Long story, you've been lumped in with scantly clad coffee barista's some how and....

Astro: (trying not to laugh....too late!) BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(Falls of the table) BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Reno: Hey! This is serious! A Congressman is threatening an investig....

Astro: (stops laughing, looks seriously, continues to laugh)

Reno: Look, I know this whole thing is totally lame but we have to address it.

Astro: (stops laughing) uh....."giggles" What do they want me to do?

Reno: Wear some sort of costume.

Astro: :ninja:

Reno: No....that's copywrited and we don't have enough money to cover all the patents involved.

Astro: :p irate:

Reno: That's copywrited by Disney.

Astro: :hyo:

Reno: Now how are you going to move around in that?

Astro:Image

Reno: Heck no! We're trying to keep you around a little longer!

Astro: What then? I'm out of ideas!

Reno:Image

Astro: You're kidding.

Reno: Heck no. Look at the advantages...you're opponant will be too busy laughing, your fights will end quicker and think of the revenue generation for the Ministry! It's got cute factor!

(Reno is hanging from a wedgie atop the flag pole of the Ministry building)

Reno: Me and my big mouth.

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Postby Uran-chan » 14 years ago

HAHAHAHHA...That makes me laugh! Like Astro Have a choice iam sure even i ask Astro won t agree to put his underwear after his pants! XD Like superman did!

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Postby dannavy85 » 14 years ago

Ministry of Science
Doctor O'Shay's office


(Astro walks in waving a hand)

Astro: Don't say it Doctor, I already know.

O'Shay: The shorts scandal.

(Astro sits, rests head on hands and frowns)

Astro: Some people have nothing better to do? What about world peace? The environment? ending dog fighting, clear cutting, finding more alternative energy? What do they do? They complain about my butt.

O'Shay: Your shorts.

(Astro purses his lips)

Astro: Superman wears his outside his clothes, that's pretty dumb.

O'Shay: Well...cultures are different afterall you know, you have to get used to it.

Astro: I'll keep that in mind when I'm being bounced around like a pin ball next time I'm in New York keeping some mad scientist from throwing a school bus down Broadway. I guess I could throw my hands out and ask..."Hey mister mad scientist, could you stop please, I have to put some pants on before we fight."

O'Shay: Now Astro....

Astro: Oh you will? Thanks! It'll only be like a few minutes, you know how hard it is to slip these jeans over these big fat moon boots of mine.

O'Shay: Now really Astro.

Astro: (Sits up) No Doctor! No! Perhaps some humans need to figure out a few things like....say....we should make a clothing line Astro can't destroy or I know we'll ban Astro from coming and preserve decency while we take care of that mean old mad scientist with that 200 foot tall laser carrying mechanical killing machine on our own! Fat chance that will ever happen.

This is what I'll do, I'll let Reno remake my mid-section into a pair of boxers or swim shorts but that's the end of it. This is a stupid trivial argument not worth my time and certainly not worth the world's time and if some people just want to push hard enough to keep me from doing what I've been built to do then they better be ready to accept the responsibility.

(The room goes silent for a moment)

O'Shay: (starting to cry) You know how proud you just made me my boy?

Astro: Thank Doctor Tenma, I guess some of his attitude rubbed off on me. Now if you'll excuse me Doc I have to go "peddle my butt" for charity at the Tokyo Children's hospital. I'll charge the decency fines to your bank account.

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Postby Dragonrider1227 » 14 years ago

ROFLMAO That's a great little story there dannavy85


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