kimba simba? disney stole it

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Postby jeffbert » 20 years ago

Originally posted by cybotron@Oct 9 2004, 01:10 AM
You mean you guys had not seen those links? :unsure:

No, I had seen the links, but had forgotten about the Roy link, & had already written a hypothethical defense of that statement taken by itself, that is without regard to any other evidence. Then, I looked at the second link, which I had already seen & commented upon. Seeing it in conjunction with the Roy link, I needed a way to salvage my my already written defense of the Roy link.

If my understanding of story boards is correct, the few scenes that are clearly ripped off, could have been ripped off by the executives, without the knowledge of the animators or screenwriters. They only knew what the executives told them. Any assumption that anyone other than Roy Disney And perhaps other executives knew of the ripoff would be sheer speculation. On the other hand, one would wonder if they discarded the story boards & ideas passed from the execs to the artists. If not, they would either damn or exonerate the artists, but the execs are a different matter entirely. If the story boards & other concepts passed from the execs to the artists made any references to Kimba or Jungle Emperor, it still does not mean that the artists were familiar with Tezuka's work. If not, one would see why they had plausible denyability: Because they knew nothing of Tezuka's work, any references to it were meaningless, & hence, quickly forgotten.

Regardless, someone at Disney ripped off Tezuka, & Disney is therefore liable to lawsuit & perhaps even criminal prosecution. But, in the latter case, they must identify individuals; corporations are tough to throw in jail. :lol:
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Postby otaku » 20 years ago

dam it i do know (i read in a kimba arcile)
that one of tezuka`s friend made a site called the lying king (when lion king came to japan0
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Postby rock » 20 years ago

the thing here is that NO ONE is stupid enough to sue disney on such a massive scale.
but their criminal behavior is not limited to normal cartoons... the entire plot of finding nemo was a rip-off french fish trial tossed.:angry:


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Postby O2Destroyer » 20 years ago

Eh, I think the business with Nemo is exactly why it is so difficult to prove something was a rip of something else. If you read that article it is rather absurd--it doesn't really sound like there are that many similarities, and if there are, they haven't been stated clearly in the article. The similarities between Jungle Emperor and Lion King are MUCH more striking, yet even with these it may have been a difficult.

I have this feeling that at first Disney was really happy and open with the idea of doing a homage to Kimba and then something happened. This is a harmless tribute that could have been credited and everyone would have been happy. My thoughts are that when the whole thing was first in production, they were probably thinking of Kimba as a starting point. I imagine it was the execs farther up who said 'hey, you can't do this. We don't want to credit anyone. We could get sued so we're going to reject any ties to anything else.'

As I've said above, I feel like the connection between Leo and Lion King are not so strong as to merit so much controversy. Sure, some characters are similiar, and a few of the shots are reminiscient but this is not enough to warrant Tezuka productions getting paid big bags of money to use their copywritten characters. More than anything else, its just an insult that Tezuka was never credited.
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Postby super_kim » 20 years ago

I love the Lion King and I'm not worried that Disney stole some of the ideas from kimba. Its still a brilliant movie. Thats probably because I grew up with Lion King, not kimba, and kimba doesn't mean that much to me.

But Disney does steal ideas, but all movie companies do. A couple in Brisbane came up with the bugs life/antz story line and were pitching it to warner brothers the day a disney rep was there. They got rejected and told their story wouldn't make a good movie and shortly after disney and warner brothers released A bugs life and antz respectively.

Movie companies stomp on little people all the time without paying them any tribute, but in cases like Lion King and kimba, it doesn't decrease the value of either.

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Postby rock » 20 years ago

kill the Heretic!!!
You come on an astroboy board and insult Tezuka calling him a little person. Shame on you. go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. You putz.
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Postby O2Destroyer » 20 years ago

I think I'm the one person who doesn't find Lion King all that great. When you boil down all the dramatics, it is a VERY simple film.
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Postby rock » 20 years ago

Originally posted by O2Destroyer@Oct 14 2004, 10:06 AM
I think I'm the one person who doesn't find Lion King all that great. When you boil down all the dramatics, it is a VERY simple film.

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Postby super_kim » 20 years ago

Originally posted by rock@Oct 14 2004, 07:34 AM
kill the Heretic!!!
You come on an astroboy board and insult Tezuka calling him a little person. Shame on you. go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. You putz.

Oops, I probably should have worded that better. I didnt mean Tezuka was a little person. I meant the little people were the couple in Brisbane. I didnt mean to be a heretic. :( sorry.

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Postby jeffbert » 20 years ago

Originally posted by super_kim@Oct 13 2004, 07:52 AM
I love the Lion King and I'm not worried that Disney stole some of the ideas from kimba. Its still a brilliant movie. Thats probably because I grew up with Lion King, not kimba, and kimba doesn't mean that much to me.

But Disney does steal ideas, but all movie companies do. A couple in Brisbane came up with the bugs life/antz story line and were pitching it to warner brothers the day a disney rep was there. They got rejected and told their story wouldn't make a good movie and shortly after disney and warner brothers released A bugs life and antz respectively.

Movie companies stomp on little people all the time without paying them any tribute, but in cases like Lion King and kimba, it doesn't decrease the value of either.

I remember watching Toonheads The Great Cartoon Controversy, in which a controversy between WB & MGM was covered. WB claims that its cartoon with Bugs Bunny playing F. Lizst's most famoust piece (name escapes me) was copied by MGM which had Tom (& Jerry) doing the same thing. If ever there was a case of a ripped off idea, this was it. One of these companies certainly copied the other's cartoon, because it was obvious that they were both made from the same basic script. :lol: Everything that Bugs did, from cracking his knuckles before beginning to the ways he tried to capture or kill the mouse, was also done by Tom. Too bad they cancelled Toonheads. :cry:
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